Clan Ronin and Advanatges

Clan Ronin and Advanatges
Do Clan Ronin get the point discount of their former clan when buying advantages with XP?

They are built as normal, then made Ronin. Says so in the RAW. Yes, they do get the discounts. Remember they would have to be Clan Samurai first, then Ronin. They could even have Rank 1 in a Clan School if you wanted.

Or 5 ranks... All depends on when they go Ronin.

Or 5 ranks... All depends on when they go Ronin. Assuming at character creation....

Ok, so then a True Ronin who swears fealty to a Clan does NOT get the discount then?

By RAW I'd assume that someone who was born a poor farmer but did a 20 goblin winter and is now a Hida Bushi wouldn't get +1 Strength. But if that's the way a player wrote the background for his Hida PC you'd have to be a mean DM to take that away! :) Is there a RAW definition for True Ronin in 3E? They have numerous Ronin "families" that give out bonus's.

Ok, so then a True Ronin who swears fealty to a Clan does NOT get the discount then? Depends on when they buy the advantage. If they buy it when they are True Ronin, but before they swear fealty, then no discount. The discount is for Clan Samurai only. True ronin who swear fealty to a clan become Clan Samurai. Any purchases after that will be affected by the discount. So if you want Large (Inherent) for a discount, you have to be Crab when you start. You could be Clan Ronin, originally of the Crab Clan. If you buy it in game, it costs less. Say you buy Sage after you swear fealty to the Dragon clan. It costs one less point than normal. The conversion ratio is 2XP = 1CP. By default, all Advantages are listed in CP. the one exception is Multiple Schools, and that states that it is listed in Experience points. Thus, purchasing Sage, once you are a member of the Dragon Clan, will only cost you 6xp, rather than 8xp if you were still True Ronin, as you get a 1 CP discount.

By RAW I'd assume that someone who was born a poor farmer but did a 20 goblin winter and is now a Hida Bushi wouldn't get +1 Strength. But if that's the way a player wrote the background for his Hida PC you'd have to be a mean DM to take that away! :) If your farmer made Hida Bushi before character creation, then he would get the Family Bonus. That would count as a clan samurai, just like any other. The Twenty Goblin Winter is just part of the character's backstory. Is there a RAW definition for True Ronin in 3E? They have numerous Ronin "families" that give out bonus's. In the section entitled Step Two: Choose a Family "Ronin characters do not normally receive a family bonus (family stat bonus), as ronin families are extremely rare." (page 88, 3rd Ed Rulebook) "Ronin characters may choose not to select any of these schools, instead receiving 15 additional Character Points." (page 88, 3rd Ed Rulebook) Kaeru, Tsi, and Yotsu characters can also not take a school when they start, but they only get 10 points. (page 76, 3rd Ed Rulebook) True Ronin are tea total screwed by the RAW. The family ronin, not so much.

So if you want Large (Inherent) for a discount, you have to be Crab when you start. You could be Clan Ronin, originally of the Crab Clan. If you buy it in game, it costs less. Say you buy Sage after you swear fealty to the Dragon clan. It costs one less point than normal. And how exactly are you buying an inherent advantage "in game"?

Ok, so then a True Ronin who swears fealty to a Clan does NOT get the discount then? Depends on when they buy the advantage. If they buy it when they are True Ronin, but before they swear fealty, then no discount. The discount is for Clan Samurai only. . Actually they don't refer to "Clan Samurai" in any of the cost reductions. They don't even mention things like "Crab Clan Characters", its just "Crab Characters." It is really GM's call to state whether any references to Family or Clan in regards to game mechanics are resolved using the characters "blood" lineage or "artificial" status. Personally I apply only blood lineage when determining things like these. Otherwise strange comlicated things occur when people get married. Hiruma Ayame: "Father!!! You betrothed me to a nezumi???!!!" Hiruma Kazuma: : "Of course. If you become part of the Crooked Tail tribe before your Gempukku then your Void will become astronomical!!"

So if you want Large (Inherent) for a discount, you have to be Crab when you start. You could be Clan Ronin, originally of the Crab Clan. If you buy it in game, it costs less. Say you buy Sage after you swear fealty to the Dragon clan. It costs one less point than normal. And how exactly are you buying an inherent advantage "in game"? Through GM Fiat. Perhaps a journey thorugh the spirit realms grants the possiblity of having Strength of the Earth, or maybe nerve damage deadens the character's ability to feel pain... The GM Fiat is a special type of American/Italian hybrid car that can outperform and outmaneuver any kind of problem that players might throw at it. It has the following performance specifications: Top Speed: Whatever is needed Acceleration: Whatever is needed Braking: From Whatever is needed to 0 in Whatever is needed. Turning Circle: Whatever is needed Load Bearing Capacity: Whatever is needed

Ok, so then a True Ronin who swears fealty to a Clan does NOT get the discount then? Depends on when they buy the advantage. If they buy it when they are True Ronin, but before they swear fealty, then no discount. The discount is for Clan Samurai only. . Actually they don't refer to "Clan Samurai" in any of the cost reductions. They don't even mention things like "Crab Clan Characters", its just "Crab Characters." It is really GM's call to state whether any references to Family or Clan in regards to game mechanics are resolved using the characters "blood" lineage or "artificial" status. Personally I apply only blood lineage when determining things like these. Otherwise strange comlicated things occur when people get married. Hiruma Ayame: "Father!!! You betrothed me to a nezumi???!!!" Hiruma Kazuma: : "Of course. If you become part of the Crooked Tail tribe before your Gempukku then your Void will become astronomical!!" If you create a character that is some hybrid of two clans like a Scorpion who was fostered by the Crane, I think that it is important to define, for bonus purposes, which clan that character is. Otherwise they will try to buy advantages and disadvanteges as both clans.

If you create a character that is some hybrid of two clans like a Scorpion who was fostered by the Crane, I think that it is important to define, for bonus purposes, which clan that character is. Otherwise they will try to buy advantages and disadvanteges as both clans.I know. That is why I think that in general one should stick to a "with who one was raised with at a young age" to detetmine what your bonuses are as opposed to affiliation.

Basically your “family name bonus” determines your affiliation.

Under the Ronin Family Benifits sidebar on pg. 76 it states that you make your character as if you were a member of your original Clan. They don't make any exceptions for things such as advantages.

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