Different School and the Shosuro Shinobi

What else could “Standard” mean if all bushi schools are allowed? Standard could simply refer to anything found in the core book, excluding entry-level paths and other Schools from sourcebooks that were released later, like 4 Winds. Possibly, but I don't see it. This would have required a great deal of foresight on the writers of Different School’s part which we have a ton of evidence to the contrary in the past and allows people to different school into Daidoji Harriers but not Shinjo Bushi.

Possibly, but I don't see it. This would have required a great deal of foresight on the writers of Different School’s part which we have a ton of evidence to the contrary in the past and allows people to different school into Daidoji Harriers but not Shinjo Bushi. Historically, this was not a problem as the 2ED wording was that "This character did not go to his clan's bushi or shugenja school, but was instead an "exchange student" at another clan's school." The old wording made it that only bushi and shugenja could take multiple school, but I think the intent was clear that it meant that a bushi or shugenja could enter any school of another clan. Nonetheless, I think this is a good question to pass to Shawn as we can figure out what the design intent for the advantage.

... allows people to different school into Daidoji Harriers but not Shinjo Bushi. And this is worse than allowing people to DS into Akodo bushi but not Matsu Berserker how? I'm not claiming it's perfect, but I really don't see why your interpretation is better than mine.

... allows people to different school into Daidoji Harriers but not Shinjo Bushi. And this is worse than allowing people to DS into Akodo bushi but not Matsu Berserker how? I'm not claiming it's perfect, but I really don't see why your interpretation is better than mine. The Matsu Berserker school is one of the most exclusive schools in the world. Only allowing character from other clans to join mainline schools doesn’t seem to be against the text’s “standard” school text. What else could standard mean? I will ask Shawn about this.

The Matsu Berserker school is one of the most exclusive schools in the world. Yet anyone can Multiple School into it without problems. Being exclusive shouldn't have any effect on how DS is formulated if it doesn't have any effect on how MS is formulated. Exclusivity has no formalized mechanical rules, GMs are supposed to enforce it when appropriate.

The Matsu Berserker school is one of the most exclusive schools in the world. Yet anyone can Multiple School into it without problems. Being exclusive shouldn't have any effect on how DS is formulated if it doesn't have any effect on how MS is formulated. Exclusivity has no formalized mechanical rules, GMs are supposed to enforce it when appropriate. Hense the problem. I really think standard bushi/courtier/shugenja is obsolete text with the SUP and Four Winds.

Hense the problem. I really think standard bushi/courtier/shugenja is obsolete text with the SUP and Four Winds. I don't understand why the language was changed from previous editions as the 2ED version worked well (except for the fact that it worked only for bushi and shugenja).

The Matsu Berserker school is one of the most exclusive schools in the world. Yet anyone can Multiple School into it without problems. Being exclusive shouldn't have any effect on how DS is formulated if it doesn't have any effect on how MS is formulated. Exclusivity has no formalized mechanical rules, GMs are supposed to enforce it when appropriate. Er. Not without problems. You have a whole bunch of Matsu Sensei who will *NOT* put up with non-Lion. It is bad enough that they have to admit Akodo Family members, why the hell would they waste time teaching inferior students?

Anyway, we should redo all the tags. Some schools need the and tags even if it doesn't involve much stuff, it's better for the future.

The Matsu Berserker school is one of the most exclusive schools in the world. Yet anyone can Multiple School into it without problems. Being exclusive shouldn't have any effect on how DS is formulated if it doesn't have any effect on how MS is formulated. Exclusivity has no formalized mechanical rules, GMs are supposed to enforce it when appropriate. Er. Not without problems. You have a whole bunch of Matsu Sensei who will *NOT* put up with non-Lion. It is bad enough that they have to admit Akodo Family members, why the hell would they waste time teaching inferior students? Correct, but that's not formalized in a rule and Multiple Schools doesn't mention anything about it (or about the Shosuro Shinobi, if you want the poster child for Schools you really, really can't get into if you don't have the right ID). As I said, the GM is supposed to enforce that. If this goes for MS, it should also go for DS.

Correct, but that's not formalized in a rule and Multiple Schools doesn't mention anything about it... Well unfortunately, Different School DOES give a limitation, so there is a conflict that I’d like resolved.

I doubt the limitation mentioned in Different School has much, if anything, to do with exclusivity. The three orders are not exclusive at all for instance, yet DS apparently doesn't apply to them, and there are other Schools that are in the same situation.

I have no doubt that the writers intended both Different School and Multiple School to be subject to the GM's descretion. But, there is some ambiguity of the word "standard" in the text for Different School. There are also a number of schools that do not fit into the categories outlined ie. courtier, bushi, and shugenja. It is the function of the Jourei Bengoshi to address these areas.

Hi there ! (I'm French so excuse my rude english :'( ) My first post to a good subject IMO :) My two zeni : The GM get two options to play shinobi. - First : The player creat a Shosuro Shinobi and don't have to by multiple/different schools. Good youngs men (with the proper mind) are chosen by the Junin (or Daimyo), get their black pants and jump around to be seen by honorable samuraïs. After some year as scarecrows they get some mission and if they passed it they become full member and leave black clothes to pose as Courtier, samuraïs...etc. (One of my player took this option and is very good to play bad and coward ronin regulary beaten by the Akodo bushi of the group :lol: ) - Second : The player start normaly as Bushi, shugenja, Courtier ...etc. and seem to be good to make somme specificals tasks (or simply wants to keep his character but change his way of life). He has to get multiples schools first with XP (and roleplay it !) and then start his new career.

They can. Shosuro Shinobi are not "Bushi".The one thing I see with this is that the Hiruma Scout aren't tagged as bushi, but in the character creation example they allow a Hiruma Scout to purchase striking as Earth. Kata unless they are otherwise specialized cannot be purchased by non-bushi schools. This leads to a conflict in the rules. I wish I could find it somewhere, because I remember it in some text somewhere that A) If a school has the word Bushi, Courtier, Shugenja, or Monk in its name that it is automatically consided a school of that type, and that B) If a school does not have one of these words in it's name and doesn't have a descriptor type, than it automatically defaults to Bushi status. For the life of me I can't find it though. Could be hallucinatng.

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