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Asahina Inu- 06-04-2007
Ruby Championship Tournament
Is anyone else pissed off about this?

Okuma- 06-04-2007

What happened ?

Asahina Inu- 06-04-2007

I saw a post about this in the AEG forums where a bunch of other people were upset about this, curious to see what the hubub was all about, I decided read to see what was up. Apparently the Ruby CHampionship Tournament for the CCG's winner is NOT determined by whomever actually wins the CCG tournament, but rather by a vote of elected players who CHOOSE which player among the higher ranking players in the Tournament is the winner of the Tournament. Many Spider players(The Clan of the player who actually one the CCG tournament of the first day)were incensed that a player of their faction actually won the first day's tournament(CCG winner that is), but their faction gets absolutely nothing out of it. Now to be clear, I personally am not upset personally that the Ruby Championship Tournament is decided in this manner, as apparantly this has been historically done so for as long as the Ruby CCG tournament has been annually run. But I am upset for two reasons. 1. The Storyline Prize prize from the official AEG description of the Tournament says absolutely nothing about this completely unorthodox and arbitrary "win" condition for the story prize. This could have lead to people actually attending the tournament without the actual knowledge that their abiltiy to actually win at playing the game was only a secondary consideration. This is actually my least important reason for being upset. FOr one we don't know if AEG will actually honor their determination of the "winner" of this tournament, and thus don't know if they indeed were actually misleading with their official description of the Tournament. The Tournament organizers apparently did make the knowledge available to their players also, which means that theoretically the players in the Tournament should have known. 2. This is what really pisses me off. Since the Race for the Throne was introduced they made a specific point to make several different categories of qualification specifically so that L5R fans of any different persuasion could potentially have an impact, from the cosplayers to the hardcore CCGers. These areas of influence were clearly defined when the Race began. If you won CCG tournaments you got Military Points, i you bought a Ton of AEG product you could contribute to the Economy Points(I think that is the one) and so on. This assured players that they would have their specific niche, and for a player to not have to worry about CCG wins being the only determiner of the storyline. Unfortunately with this Ruby Championship tourney, they have essentially set a precedent that says otherwise. I don't play the CCG but I'm sure I could relate to the reverse situation that could happen to something we might relate to better. What do you think the reaction would be from a person who spends an inordinate amount of time dressing up in appropriate garb and traveling around to different Kotei's trying to earn Points(Politics I think) for his clan, when he goes to or heres about a Kotei where points in his Niche Sphere of influence are given out to the person who can win a Limited side tournament. Basically the Ruby Tournament is essentially a contest that while might qualify for another type of Race Points, is fraudulantly attempting to disguise itself as a CCG tournament for the purposes of gaining Military Points. It bothers me even more that this tournament was invite only with regards to how the winner is determined. Maybe you don't agree with me on this matter but it pisses me off majorly. I am not even directly participating in the Race in anyway, yet the sheer unfairness of this situation actually caused me to have a hard time sleeping last night. I actually changed my avatar to the Shadowlands mon on the AEG boards in protest over it. I would have taken the Spider Mon but it was late and my brain wasn't working well enough to search it up.

Okuma- 06-04-2007

What is wrong in this tournament isn't the way the victor is determinated, it's the fact that they was no communications about how the points would be awarded. That again something that happen quite often with AEG. They have poor communications and often sent stuff without giving all the informations. I don't know how this will be settled, but it's clearly a problem of poor organisation and communication more than anything else.

Asahina Inu- 06-04-2007

What is wrong in this tournament isn't the way the victor is determinated, it's the fact that they was no communications about how the points would be awarded. That again something that happen quite often with AEG. They have poor communications and often sent stuff without giving all the informations. I don't know how this will be settled, but it's clearly a problem of poor organisation and communication more than anything else.Yeah I'll agree with that. I still think that it is wrong to be giving Military Points judged by the criteria of the other spheres. The idea for the tournament sounds neat, but the interaction with the Race is poorly mismanaged. If they wanted to run this tournament like this than fine. Select the Ruby Champion character by whatever means is agreed upon. However Military points should only be awarded for actual CCG determined wins. Whomever wins the Ruby Champion title should gain points from another appropriate sphere. Basically the highest ranking players should have gained the appropriate Military Points for winning 1st place, while the council decided winner shuld have gotten the story prize and Non-Military Points for it.

Okuma- 06-04-2007

Yes, but anyway that not the first mistakes happening and we don't have anything to say about how they gonna fix it.

Cooper- 06-04-2007

I've got to say that I'm rather glad that one of the Gemstone tournaments is being determined in a non-military manner - but I'll agree that the Race for the Throne points are misassigned for something that is not actually determined by CCG play. At the same time, the amount of CCG play involved in the final determination would likely make it seem like the CCG was muscling in on the other spheres.

Asahina Inu- 06-04-2007

At the same time, the amount of CCG play involved in the final determination would likely make it seem like the CCG was muscling in on the other spheres.That's why I think the points should have been seperated. As normal, the top ranking players(purely determined by performance in the CCG) should have recieved Military Points in the appropriate order of ranking, and the players who actually won the Tournament due to the specific guidelines of that Tournament should have been awarded Points in other Spheres. I actually like the idea of the tournament, its just the handling of the Points for it rubs me the wrong way. The official points value of the Tournament was like Military Points 4, 3, 2, 1, and 1 Point in some other Shphere somewhere. That's like 10 Military points to the Race, and they were determined by arbitration instead of actually winning matches. I think it would have been appropriate if they had gotten permission to go, Military 2,2,1,1 for CCG performance with the Tournament Champions getting like 3,2,1 Points in other Spheres plus the storyline prize for the actual winning of the Tournament due to it's own unique rules. That would have kept the Points the same number but with a different allocation and spread.

Okuma- 06-05-2007

Anyway, again a bad organisation.

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